Parousia of Jesus Christ Our Lord: #Conclavism
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Most don't even try to deal with conclavism. The huge problem there is where else but Rome, Italy do you find a history where the early councils and church fathers (first millennium before there were even Cardinals who were created in the early 11th century) and local synods all pointed to an ecclesiastical law by men that allowed the Bishopry/Patriarchy of Rome to be affirmed as the leader (within proper doctrine and jurisdiction - see Nicene and Chalcedonian definitions of that and the ancient creeds as well for doctrinal summations) of Christendom, i.e. the Catholic Church. It is true that before Cardinals, Rome's Popes were elected by acclamation of the local populace and consecration by neighboring Bishops, it would be a disaster to try that now. Before there would be anything recognizable as a center with a head of which world wide Christendom recognized as the earthly leader of the Church, all the Cardinals and Bishops and other Prelates who are Masons have to be publicly excommunicated (by whom?) and all schismed Churches who date from Apostolic preaching have to be reconciled, since relying on authority from a Rome that has been destroyed doctrinally by the Masonic completion of their plan to do so at the Vatican, is now impossible. We would need that much of a world wide body represented and then the huge question is where? Moscow? Out of the question. Constantinople?, been tried and rejected 15 centuries ago. Antioch?, Peter's first Apostolic mission or Alexandria?, third Petrine See (by the preaching there of St. Mark) according to Pope St. Gregory the Great. Not in today's world - never happen. All the ancient Asia Minor centers of ancient major ecclesial import are gone except Byzantium/Constantinople (Istanbul) which only has a small quarter and as mentioned above didn't make it first go around. Please don't suggest anywhere in the United States or the Americas at all since the history to support it is totally lacking. The actual full consensus of the Church Fathers in fact declares that when things get to this point as they have that there will be no reclamation of the former dignity nor authority on earth of the earthly churchmen in terms of universal obedience to a solid world wide ecclesiastical structure, but that we are in the Great Apostasy (no, that is not something the Evangelicals dreamed up - the Church Fathers of the first millennium taught it plainly). When that happens, and it has, we are counseled by the same Church Fathers to await the return of Our Lord Jesus Christ in whatever congregation, no matter how small, we have resort to provided that it is true to the faith, NOTHING else will do. True to the faith is determined by true to the Apostolic paradosis on all points (you need your whole Bible centered on the New Testament for that with the full consenus of the Church Fathers and clear understanding of the history and content of all the councils) and not just saying "Pope!" "Pope!" The scary thing about the only thing that would seem to unite Novus Ordo pan-pagan religionist cultists with the so called Traditional Catholics is both scream for an earthly Papacy to direct every waking moment of their lives. I am an old enough (before Vatican II was ever convened) to remember in person the real Catholic Church and its teaching was conveyed through the Parish Priest and NOT Papal News Bites every so often. The Parish level was where the ordinary magisterium was taught completely and fully and it was based wholly on the bible and centered on the New Testament. The simple and terrible truth is that we have only our small gatherings that are loyal to Christ. The beautiful and simple truth is that the absolute Head of His Church Jesus Christ Our Lord and God and Saviour and King has promised to be with us forever and until and at His return from heaven in the same flesh He ascended in forevermore after that. See Gospel of Saint Matthew Chapter 28, verse 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. NOTE that it is what He commands, not St. Peter, not Popes etc. But What He, Jesus Christ, commands. We will always have recourse to that. Let us thank Him for that.
http://parousia-qiyamah.blogspot.com/p/conclavism.html
#Catholic @NovusOrdoWatch
Most don't even try to deal with conclavism. The huge problem there is where else but Rome, Italy do you find a history where the early councils and church fathers (first millennium before there were even Cardinals who were created in the early 11th century) and local synods all pointed to an ecclesiastical law by men that allowed the Bishopry/Patriarchy of Rome to be affirmed as the leader (within proper doctrine and jurisdiction - see Nicene and Chalcedonian definitions of that and the ancient creeds as well for doctrinal summations) of Christendom, i.e. the Catholic Church. It is true that before Cardinals, Rome's Popes were elected by acclamation of the local populace and consecration by neighboring Bishops, it would be a disaster to try that now. Before there would be anything recognizable as a center with a head of which world wide Christendom recognized as the earthly leader of the Church, all the Cardinals and Bishops and other Prelates who are Masons have to be publicly excommunicated (by whom?) and all schismed Churches who date from Apostolic preaching have to be reconciled, since relying on authority from a Rome that has been destroyed doctrinally by the Masonic completion of their plan to do so at the Vatican, is now impossible. We would need that much of a world wide body represented and then the huge question is where? Moscow? Out of the question. Constantinople?, been tried and rejected 15 centuries ago. Antioch?, Peter's first Apostolic mission or Alexandria?, third Petrine See (by the preaching there of St. Mark) according to Pope St. Gregory the Great. Not in today's world - never happen. All the ancient Asia Minor centers of ancient major ecclesial import are gone except Byzantium/Constantinople (Istanbul) which only has a small quarter and as mentioned above didn't make it first go around. Please don't suggest anywhere in the United States or the Americas at all since the history to support it is totally lacking. The actual full consensus of the Church Fathers in fact declares that when things get to this point as they have that there will be no reclamation of the former dignity nor authority on earth of the earthly churchmen in terms of universal obedience to a solid world wide ecclesiastical structure, but that we are in the Great Apostasy (no, that is not something the Evangelicals dreamed up - the Church Fathers of the first millennium taught it plainly). When that happens, and it has, we are counseled by the same Church Fathers to await the return of Our Lord Jesus Christ in whatever congregation, no matter how small, we have resort to provided that it is true to the faith, NOTHING else will do. True to the faith is determined by true to the Apostolic paradosis on all points (you need your whole Bible centered on the New Testament for that with the full consenus of the Church Fathers and clear understanding of the history and content of all the councils) and not just saying "Pope!" "Pope!" The scary thing about the only thing that would seem to unite Novus Ordo pan-pagan religionist cultists with the so called Traditional Catholics is both scream for an earthly Papacy to direct every waking moment of their lives. I am an old enough (before Vatican II was ever convened) to remember in person the real Catholic Church and its teaching was conveyed through the Parish Priest and NOT Papal News Bites every so often. The Parish level was where the ordinary magisterium was taught completely and fully and it was based wholly on the bible and centered on the New Testament. The simple and terrible truth is that we have only our small gatherings that are loyal to Christ. The beautiful and simple truth is that the absolute Head of His Church Jesus Christ Our Lord and God and Saviour and King has promised to be with us forever and until and at His return from heaven in the same flesh He ascended in forevermore after that. See Gospel of Saint Matthew Chapter 28, verse 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world. NOTE that it is what He commands, not St. Peter, not Popes etc. But What He, Jesus Christ, commands. We will always have recourse to that. Let us thank Him for that.
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